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Friday, 26 April 2019

Hop Stuff over trades and winds up in Court. We told them this would happen.



This is sad. Hop Stuff was a great story and in the hands of a sensible businessman, it could have grown into a success. Driven by a ridiculous plan to take over the brewing world, James Yeomans has single handedly jeopardised his own dream and possibly lost Crowdcube investors over £1m. 


UPDATE - this is a live story and we have just been informed by the lawyers acting for the Petitioners that the petition has been dismissed as the debt has been paid on full. So what was that all about ???

We dont know the full story yet but no one is answering Qs. We do know that a Petition to Wind Up the company was brought by Construction and Shopfitting Limited on 19/02/2019 and as far as we can tell the case has not yet been heard. Their 3 bars are open for business as usual. Bu thten they have been set up as separate legal entities. Where does that leave Crowdcube shareholders?

Accounts have had date changes and are now well overdue. Not long ago Hop Stuff raised over £800k on Crowdcube. Have we been here before??

Clearly for things to have got to this stage, it must be serious. We warned him a while back not to over trade. Now this.........



We hear the shouts of the lite touch, free trade, meat eaters -  'well its a free world and he can do what he likes with his own business'. Not so fast. When he took other peoples cash - in multiple Crowdcube rounds - well over 1000 of them - he gave up that Divine Right. He had duties to his shareholders. One of them was to be sensible.

There have been a few odd things pinging about from Hop Stuff recently. At the start of March, so after the above Petition, James Yeomans emailed investors asking them if they wanted to buy a small placing of A shares. It was promoted as a deal not to be missed. Given what we now know, isn't that a little strange?

Let us hope that this can all be resolved and that Hop Stuff, wings partially clipped can carry on in more considered fashion to grow and prosper. Nout wrong with their Beers.

Thursday, 11 January 2018

Rumour is Hopstuff is looking at a listing and selling off some assets for a new project; as well as a new raise.



Ambition is a wonderful thing - in the right hands. Leave the nest too early and you will likely end up dead. 


We have written a few pieces on Hopstuff, it has to date been a success - an almost unique situation for a Crowdcube funded business. But now we hear that the founder has asked for advice on a listing in the next 12-18 months and raising some cash against assets - for a new project.

Hopstuff doesnt make money in the real world - its projections do. Its current valuation of £14m is based on what might happen next. We think there is a good chance that the required happenings may come about but only if they concentrate on getting there....not something else. The company is talking about a new raise early this year - as well as the news on a listing and asset sale. Profits are projected  - they always are. 

Their plans are already very ambitious - and have taken a slight fork. They are now due to be opening bars (taprooms they call them) in number, even though the original two have not yet been truly tested. We did suggest to him that he might want to rein in the ambitions a little and consolidate but like most entrepreneurs he knows best. He still thinks his comparison to Brewdog is a valid one. 

So why the headlong rush? Is it a Millennial thing?

We dont know. But we do know that the reason that many successful early stage businesses go bust is because they over trade. They over extend their risk based on false, often untested assumptions. He must have his reasons.

Now is not the time for new projects or enquiring about future listings. Now is the time to deliver on your last set of projections and for ensuring as far as possible that plans for new openings work. It's like they havent learnt a thing from the delay in opening the new brewhouse and the lease issue with the Taproom - things never go to plan. 

How many businesses have we commented on that have had similar ambitions that have failed miserably. Taylor St Baristas, River Cottage, Rushmore Group, Ethos Global, One Rebel, Hen Restaurants, Pizza Rossa, Chilango etc etc have all promised and tried to expand via new openings and all have failed - some with dire consequences. We cannot list one that has succeeded to date, apart from The Dirt Factory, who 2 years after funding have still not opened their first unit. Getting it right is not easy and for sure out of 5 new units, one at least will end up a dog for reasons that are perhaps not even apparent now. Well that's our experience from 30 years opening new units of various kinds.

The hazards are many  - all untested by Hopstuff. The rewards enticing. 

This will of course fall on deaf ears. But just so we can say told you so. Alternatively you the investors might want to drop him a line. And of course, if we are wrong, then much humble pie and hat eating will be on the menu. Our record speaks for itself.

Tuesday, 12 September 2017

Our interview with Hop Stuff Brewery; a real Crowdcube success story

We wanted to bring you an original story about a start up company, using equity crowdfunding, that has genuinely grown as a result. From Crowdcube's portfolio.

As you can imagine that wasn’t easy. But we did find one and it offers many lessons to investors, platforms and companies alike, on how things should be done. This company has shown how ECF should be utilised for the benefit of all stakeholders. Its success is real; not imagined, as in so many of the stories you read in the ECF press.

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Hop Stuff is a London based craft brewery. It was founded in 2013. We are grateful to the founders for giving up their time to share their story with us.

Hop Stuff was a brainchild of ex City couple James and Emma Yeomans. Fed up with life the City offered post 2008, they took a massive leap in dark in 2013 and set up Hop Stuff, from scratch with only an idea, a location and some experience in home brewing.

The first step was to raise funding and Crowdcube then, offered the perfect location – it was on a ride in the news and had not yet been hampered by massive overheads and negative returns. However, what was crucial to the success of Hop Stuff’s first CC raise, was the sensible approach taken by the founders. By offering 35% for £58k on an SEIS scheme, they made the bet a win win. Rewards would cover most downsides along with SEIS and if by chance the business was a success, investors were surely going to be quids in at that valuation.

James also points out that unlike Crowdcube now, where valuations have got to silly levels for businesses not tried and tested, the £58k they raised was for trials and the pitch was put to investors in this way – there was no stretching of the truth to obtain funding – it was simple initial proof of concept, seed round. If the trial worked they would ask for more and if it didn’t, they would close or look at other avenues.

Again, as James commented in the pitch and also when he spoke to us – this wasn’t all fingers into the wind. They knew where their initial market was, Woolwich and they had done their local research. In his own words -

‘In 2013 it was a pipe dream, and we launched a crowdfunding offer to basically validate our dream – if other people invested, it wasn’t just a crazy pipe dream! Fortunately, 71 people joined us in backing Hop Stuff Brewery, and I guess the rest is history’.

That pipe dream has gone on to raise more funding via CC in 2017 - £745k from over 600 investors at a valuation of £5.5m. It certainly hasn’t been plain sailing but the resolve is evident from the very fact that until this second raise, Hop Stuff had survived hand to mouth on the initial capital injection. By proving the concept, stress testing the systems and building genuine demand – not fancy superstore trial orders as so many do – the second raise was a massive success.

Here is the Q&A we had with them – as you can see the main issues that we are concerned about with ECF – valuations, lack of help from platforms, access to help from investors, lack of model testing etc are all evident in their experience. It also shows the advantage of using a service like ours, where we can help you to avoid the more obvious pitfalls.

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Q  From your first raise in 2013, do you think your ideas of running a start up have changed significantly and are the plans you have now roughly the vision you had then? Any advice to likeminded people who wish to go it alone?

Yes, things snowballed beyond our wildest imagination. In 2013 it was our intention to open a small, local micro-brewery. We were always set on brewing “craft beer” (i.e. hoppy fresh little numbers) but it was our intention to do it locally, but always with the same ethos which is ‘craft beer ought to be for everyone’. This idea has carried us through the last 3 years; trying to remove some of the unwelcoming stigma of craft beer. We’re grateful that this has resonated with people, as demand has kept growing and growing. In business, you’re constantly re-evaluating what you’re doing, and you can only work with what you have. Fortunately, we have a very successful and popular formula for what we think craft beer ought to be.

In terms of advice; research and ask questions. We were so naïve when we first started. That is, to a certain extent, unavoidable, but I wish I’d worked a little harder to ask for more information.

Q  Can you give me some numbers? How you have progressed over the years since 2013, if that was all in line with the projections. Has there been a moment when you thought  - no this isn’t going to work?

We’re averaging about 136% growth year on year since we launched. We actually doubled our financial projections in 2016 versus the original crowdfunding targets.

There have been plenty of times where we could have given up – the financial pressures on a small company growing as quickly as we have with such limited capital is incredibly difficult. I owe a lot to my wife (Emma) who kept me sane throughout, and we always found a way to make it work. I think that dogged determination is key – a single minded stubbornness to say, “this will work”. 

Q  Have you gained any help from your Crowdcube shareholders? Have you gained any help from Crowdcube apart from in the funding? Do you think you could have achieved this without Crowdcube if you had another source of funding?

We have a lot of incredibly talented individuals within our investor base, many of whom have offered their services at times in our journey. We’re incredibly grateful to our investors for all the support, not just financial, since we opened.

I think we would have done something similar without crowdfunding, but access to funding is incredibly tight at the moment, and there aren’t many people willing to take risks on small companies. Crowdfunding is an incredible tool if used correctly. I think there are too many companies out there abusing it at the moment, and it’s for the funding platforms to catch and monitor this to ensure the platforms stay available for many years to come.


Q  A number of start up artisan breweries have used equity crowdfunding but to date we haven’t seen any real progress from them. What is it that makes Hop Stuff different in your opinion? What are your top 3 qualities that make Hop Stuff as a company stand out?

There have been a number of crowdfunding success stories, I guess the most notable is Brewdog. There have been other, smaller companies that have flown under the radar a little but are doing incredibly well. I think the approachability is the differentiating factor for Hop Stuff Brewery. We don’t go chasing the highest ABV, or sourest sour, we focus on making big flavoured beers for the new-to-craft drinker. That’s our market, and we focus very hard on making sure we’re that brewery.

3 things: Team, Brand, Ethos.

Team: High quality sales and production teams making and distributing our lovely beer.
Brand: Make craft beer accessible
Ethos: Craft beer ought to be for everyone.

Q  What advice would you give start ups looking to raise funding using equity crowdfunding? Do you think that the way the UK operates equity Crowdfunding will work in the longer term?

I think the system will need to change and adapt over the coming years to ensure its successful future. As I said, there are some companies that are inappropriate for crowdfunding that are unfortunately successfully getting through. I think a glossy brochure and good rhetoric isn’t enough, you have to demonstrate sound financial knowledge and a viable business proposition. I think there are a few high profile funds that I believe have the potential to fail, which may in turn hurt the market.
I’d advise anyone looking at it to do as I just said, make sure your business stacks up on all fronts before launching, it’ll make the Q&A a lot easier.

Q  What has been your biggest mistake and your greatest moment since 2013?

Biggest mistake: Capacity issues. Since we opened we’ve been chasing capacity in order to keep up. The new brewhouse is completely overspec’d, but it allows us the capacity to grow quickly.

Greatest moment: Successfully closing funding V2. Every time you fund you take a gamble: Is the valuation right? Will people back the idea? Are people interested? Do they get it? The funding of round 2 was done over, what I would argue to be, the toughest time of year (Christmas), and still only took 18 days to hit target 1, and a further 3 days to surpass our upper limit. Having another 600 people backing the idea is mind blowing, and incredibly complimentary.

Q  Have you had or applied for any help from UK DTI for your efforts in exporting your beers? If not do you understand why not and if you have, was it helpful? Do you have any advice for similar SMEs trying to export?

Yes, we have a good relationship with our counterparts at UKDTI – they’re extremely helpful when exporting to a new country, and valuable partners to know.

Q  What do you think would have happened to your company if you had not managed to raise the second time on Crowdcube?

We’d have continued in the same way as before, with the same ambitions. It would have likely just taken us quite a lot longer to get there.


Q  What are the plans for the next 3 years?

Firstly, we need to make good on all the promises we made when crowdfunding. We need to make sure Hop Stuff brewery is a successful brand, business and investment in the next 3 years. How do we do that? More of the same I think. We’ll continue to spread our message, invite people on board and promote craft beer wherever we can.

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Sure things are not yet complete – in fact this expansion phase is as dangerous as most. But the determination of the founders gives us hope that they will see this through and that the initial investors at a valuation of around £160k will be rewarded – as they should be.

It is also the case that we here had been highly critical of the first round and consequent performance  - 2015 accounts showed the company technically insolvent. We are happy to hold our hands up and say we got this wrong – we had never spoken to or met the founders and there lies the difference between giving up and forging on. They have been successful to date by focusing on – knowing their customers, serving their customers, running a very tight ship, proving their model, working their socks off and presenting investors with a genuine opportunity.

We wish them well for the future and will watch with anticipation as they grow.

Finally we cant help pointing out that they have never won any of Crowdcube’s self aggrandising, pointless awards.

Thursday, 29 December 2016

Hop Stuff completes its Crowdcube raise of £500k - glass half empty or half full?


Hop Stuff will be the one to watch in 2017. Prudence has left the room.

Despite being only loss making since it raised funds on Crowdcube in 2013 and having an estimated turnover of just £1m for YE April 2017, Hop Stuff have smashed their £500k target with more than 3 weeks to go. Well actually this pitch was extended but lets not quibble about facts - this is CC after all.

Congratulations to Hop Stuff for what is either a great business or possibly one of Crowdcube's best examples of just why their system stinks. Only time will tell.

The pitch was full of interesting figures - ones stretched to their limit - see here  . After we wrote about them, many were removed or altered. Some are still elastic.

We think that this will either be a remarkable success or a catastrophic failure. Their plans leave little room for anything else. On their projections, they borrow another £500k by April 2017 - or that is the plan. They then pay over £100k pa in interest which wipes out the next year's profits. Burn rate for 2017/18 is almost £2m - much of this in the fixed cost column. 2017-2018 revenues triple, partly on the back of a Swedish deal which the founder has himself admitted has not been concluded - but only when asked. 

All of this on top of the fact that as far as we can see there is no experience in the team at the £3m t/o level. Sure the beer is popular but that's just one relatively simple step. 

There is no room for error here - the 2018 profit will evaporate if the GPM increase of 2% doesnt materialise and we all know how difficult GPMs are to project accurately at an early stage. If they over trade and require more cash  - this round's valuation is likely to prevent any new equity funding. They are already highly geared, so missing revenue projections is not an option.

400 trusting souls have jumped in. Here is a toast to you all. Brave or foolhardy - we will know by the time 2018 is over. We hope that the new year brings Hop Stuff much success - god knows Crowdcube could do with some really good news.


Tuesday, 13 December 2016

Hop Stuff inflate their figures on latest Crowdcube pitch


Hop Stuff is a Crowdcube success story - no it really is a Crowdcube success story


It is one of the only companies that has raised money on the platform that has achieved or exceeded its revenue projections. So why in its latest Crowdcube pitch for £500k, has it felt the need to play around with the truth?

This is what they say on the pitch - 

We have a demonstrable track record of beating our own forecasts. In 2013 we forecast Hop Stuff would be turning over around £480,000 by this year, we’re currently on track to double that.

This is highly misleading.

In fact the 2013 projections showed a turnover to August 2016 of £417k against an actual turnover to April 2016 (their filing date) of £524k. The claim to be on track to double the £480k is made up based on firstly an estimated figure of £480k for 2016 (Jan to Dec) - which is not a figure they ever published and the use of a large chunk of 2017 - which has not happened yet. What they dont highlight is the crucial fact that in the 2013 projections they had a 2016 forecast EBITDA profit of £166k whereas in reality they made a loss on EBITDA of £84k. 

Would you think that this loss is the more significant figure - or rather how it came about bearing in the extra revenues? Maybe a look at that 2013 projected GPM of 83% might help. This 2016 figure was actually rising over the 3 year projection.

Then just when you think you have clearer picture of what has actually happened, you find this footnote on the pitch - 

The actual figures (12 months to Apr-16 and 5 months to Sep-16) have been prepared by the Company and represent consolidated figures of Hop Stuff Brewery Limited (08471474) and Yeomans Pubs & Bars Limited (09539108) which at the time was not a Hop Stuff wholly-owned subsidiary.

So we are really comparing Apples with Elephants. Totally transparent. 

It is still a success, certainly in terms of  Crowdcube, but they really dont need to make things up. They have most certainly exceeded their 2015/16 projected revenue figure. Part of the confusion has been caused by Crowdcube allowing companies to use different projection dates to their filing dates. Something easy for the FCA to stop? 

As usual, the valuation is stupendous at £5.5m - for a company yet to make a penny of profit but then that's why they have to make these claims. Oh and you might want to ask about that debt. 


A word of caution


We notice that the forum for this pitch is crammed full of hyperbole - from the founder. He claims that the company has done very well for its first round funders, that growth will be such and such etc etc. This is all fantasy - at the moment. Shareholders in round one are no better off than they were the day after they invested. The value of the company is entirely make believe - there is no market for the shares and the company makes losses not profits. Sure the future looks interesting but please take a good look at the hype here before jumping in. 

And on top of this, the founder has now admitted that a deal with an overseas importer which is given a big push in the pitch is NOT confirmed. He goes on to say that due to this, they have only put 50% of this deal's revenues into the projections - apparently that is prudent!!!! Come on please.

And a final update - 

It seems someone reads this blog as the Hop Stuff pitch text has been changed  - in line with our comments above. That's much better guys now we might believe you :))

Wednesday, 2 November 2016

A Hat-trick of good news stories for Crowdcube investors



At last some good news.  Like buses, you wait and wait and then three come along all at the same time.


Here are 3 companies all funded via Crowdcube, that are heading in the right direction - long way to go but they are now at least on the right track.

Hop Stuff - a London based brewery has received new funding and has grown its revenues exponentially this year, topping a turnover of £1m, according to a letter sent to shareholders. Now they seem set to make some real progress in this very challenging market. They raised £65k on Crowdcube in 2013 at a value of £180k. It seesm the latest round has shot them into the millions bracket; although as we all know this is only on paper.

Fantoo - a company that has raised several rounds and been taken under the Dell wing, has just launched its first product. It sounds exciting, they are excited, so maybe they are also on the right track.

Silk Fred - complete the hat-trick. On the back of rapid growth over the last 6 months, SF are now confident they are on the same track. Losses however are also up so this maybe a longer journey. Over trading is still a possibility.

If you know of any other good or bad news, why not share it with us and we can all help to make this a more open way of funding.